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		<title>TH3MK4 &amp; A3S versus 204 BA</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK&#8230; So I have a Cushcraft A3S up at about 60&#8242; and I&#8217;ve always thought it plays pretty well. Before the A3S I operated a Force 12 C3 on the same tower but from a different QTH. The problem I&#8217;m having is some friends of mine (&#8220;seasoned&#8221; Hams mind you) are always giving me crap about [...]]]></description>
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<p style="text-align: justify;">So I have a Cushcraft A3S up at about 60&#8242; and I&#8217;ve always thought it plays pretty well. Before the A3S I operated a Force 12 C3 on the same tower but from a different QTH. The problem I&#8217;m having is some friends of mine (&#8220;seasoned&#8221; Hams mind you) are always giving me crap about my &#8220;rotatable dipole&#8221; and &#8220;lame tribander&#8221; when compared to their 20 Meter 204BA Monoband antennas.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">So I figured I&#8217;d do a little homework, ask a few questions from knowledgable Hams and then try to figure out just what the <strong>real</strong> differences are between my Tribander and their Monobander(s). Here&#8217;s a little bit of what I&#8217;ve found and also a couple observations&#8230;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">One &#8220;S&#8221; unit equals 6 db of gain (<a href="http://www.ve3fyn.ca/nvis/Decibel.htm">http://www.ve3fyn.ca/nvis/Decibel.htm</a>)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Doubling power equals 3db of gain (<a href="http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/dB.html">http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/dB.html</a>)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The typical loss in a 100&#8242; run of Belden 9913 (RG8) coax on 14 MHZ at 1,000 watts is .46 db (899 watts Effective Radiated Power) &#8211; (<a href="http://www.ocarc.ca/coax.htm">http://www.ocarc.ca/coax.htm</a>)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">The typical loss in a 100&#8242; run of Belden 9258 (RG8X) coax on 14 MHZ at 1,000 watts is 1.087 db (779 watts Effective Radiated Power) &#8211; (<a href="http://www.ocarc.ca/coax.htm">http://www.ocarc.ca/coax.htm</a>)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">A Hy-Gain 4 Element MONOBAND Yagi model 204BA has 8.2 dbi (6.0dbd) of gain. (<a href="http://hy-gain.com/man/pdf/LJ-204BA.pdf">http://hy-gain.com/man/pdf/LJ-204BA.pdf</a>)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">And from the <strong>same</strong> manufacturer (with what I suspect are the same measuring techniques and formulas) the 3 Element TRIBAND Yagi (TH3MK4) has 8.0 dbi (5.8dbd) of gain. (<a href="http://hy-gain.com/man/pdf/TH-3MK4.pdf">http://hy-gain.com/man/pdf/TH-3MK4.pdf</a>)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Very similar specs for the Cushcraft A3S vs. a Hy-gain TH3MK4 &#8211; (<a href="http://www.texastowers.com/cushcraft_a3s.htm">http://www.texastowers.com/cushcraft_a3s.htm</a>)</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Hmmmmm&#8230;</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Maybe I should just switch my coax (from RG8X to 9913), pick up .63 db along the way and still have a solid db of gain more than a 20 meter 204BA Monobander fed with RG8X?</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">In the next few days/weeks I&#8217;ll gather information on a couple of other tribanders (namely the M2 KT34XA and Force 12 C3) and then I&#8217;ll compare those to their 204BA&#8217;s, but for now and until somebody can come along and prove me wrong, it seems to me that for a measly <strong>.2</strong> db of gain and a little more directionality, I can&#8217;t justify erecting 3 towers, swinging 3 heavier, clumsier, larger and single band use antennas when you can have similar results on 3 bands and only one tower.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">It&#8217;s a no-brainer in my opinion. Maybe someone can enlighten  me as to what I&#8217;m missing? Bring your best shot, but make sure you back it up with some kind of fact(s) or it&#8217;s just another worthless opinion.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">73,</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">NØUN</p>
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